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Rev. David Forbes: The Birth of SNCC [Student Non-Violent Coordinating Committee]

by David Cecelski. "Listening to History," News & Observer. Published 4/9/2000. Copyrighted.
Reprinted with permission.

Forty years ago this month, young black Southerners and national black leaders gathered at Shaw University in Raleigh at a meeting that altered the arc of American history.

Two months earlier, on Feb. 1, 1960, four black students at North Carolina A&T sat down at a "whites only" lunch counter at a Woolworth's Department Store in Greensboro. They politely requested to be served and refused to leave when denied service. Within five days, 1,000 students had joined them. Within two months, the sit-ins had spread to nine states and 54 cities.

At Shaw on April 16, 1960, Ella Baker of Littleton, N.C., convened sit-in leaders and civil rights elders from across the country. They created the Student Non-violent Coordinating Committee, whose bold tactics of "nonviolent direct action" reinvigorated a civil rights movement that had been stalemated in the late 1950s.

This afternoon, Raleigh launches a week-long celebration of SNCC's birth. The Rev. David Forbes, a former student leader at Shaw and now the minister at Christian Faith Baptist Church, recalls those momentous events and the families and schools that shaped the SNCC activists.

David Forbes. Photo by Chris Seward, 2000.In David Forbes's words:
I was born the fifth of eight children to a Pentecostal minister and a sainted mother. We grew up poor, but we didn't know it. We were trained to know that we were somebody, that we were important people.

After all eight of us were born, my father went back to college. He went to Shaw. He would be at the table doing his homework, and we would be at the table doing our homework.

My mom went to the 11th grade, but she was highly well-read. They set a tone for high achievement, and all eight of us finished college and got advanced degrees.

We went to all-Negro schools. Schools were segregated during those years. I was at J.W. Ligon High School. There were some deficits - we got the books from the white school after they wore out their books - but still the teachers worked very hard to see that we achieved. And we did.

We had to do recitations. You had to memorize not only Shakespeare - "Julius Caesar," "Macbeth" - but the Constitution and the Declaration of Independence.

My parents handled race by not handling race. They taught us to be human. They taught us to be fair, taught us the value of hard work and responsibility. We were all taught to be of service.

I went to Shaw in 1958. It was an exciting place to be. As poor as it was, Shaw was rich, because we were listening to guest speakers that were too "radical" for State or Carolina. We were listening to Martin Luther King, Benjamin Mays, Mordecai Johnson, A. Philip Randolph, Bayard Rustin - the leading, cutting edge. All the university couldn't give us with bricks and mortar, it gave us with exposure to ideas and to insightful people.

Then, in February of 1960, the four students from A&T sat-in at Woolworth's. The day after A&T appeared in the newspaper, we started our mass meetings and discussions. We had a big meeting in Greenleaf Auditorium at Shaw's campus. It was full. Four or five hundred students.

We asked, what does this mean for us? What do we do? How dangerous is this? Where could this lead?

We had briefings on Gandhi and how he used "nonviolent direct action" to break the back of British imperialism. White America had never had to deal with protesters absorbing violence in the name of morality and justice. We also understood that, if there was violence, it was going to embarrass this country in front of the world.

We had heard of Rosa Parks and Martin Luther King. But Greensboro was close. That's where we went to play basketball. That's us. We knew that we could be hurt, that we could be arrested, that we could be killed. But this was an opportunity to make a difference.

"There is a tide in the affairs of men which, taken at the flood, leads on to fortune," Shakespeare said. We had memorized that. Now it made sense. This was such a time.

Every day, we passed lunch counters where white people were eating and black people couldn't. We passed Sir Walter Raleigh Hotel, where white people are going and coming and we don't count. We're reading W.E.B. Du Bois telling us that we are part of the "Talented Tenth, " and the society is saying, "You ain't ----." It was a powerful paradox.

We decided that they were expecting sit-ins downtown. So we decided to go to Cameron Village. There was a Woolworth's out there. The art students made up placards. The football students became the buffer. If they're going to hit somebody, let them hit somebody that's in shape.

Most of us wore a coat and tie. We wanted the community and the world to know that these are not vagabonds. We were serious. We went and we sat in at the lunch counter. The waitresses looked at us in shock.

I remember the sheriff coming to me, almost tearfully, imploring me that no good could come of this. He asked me, "Why don't you just take these people home?" Then they arrested me. I was the first to be arrested.

I was bailed out later that day, and the next day we continued to picket. For the next several weeks, it was a matter of picketing. There were 48 or so who were arrested. There were hecklers who tried to intimidate us, carrying chains. Pretty quickly, students joined us from St. Augustine's and a few from North Carolina State.

We did Woolworth's, McLellan's, Kress's, W.T. Grant. The theory was, "If you're going to live on us, you're going to be fair with us."

Pretty quickly, Kress's goes out of business. They were not going to change, so they died. Other stores began to change. Hudson Belk had the Capital Room Restaurant, which desegregated. K&W Cafeteria downtown changed.

In April, here in Raleigh, SNCC was founded. SNCC came to Shaw because the field representative for the Southern Christian Leadership Conference was Ella Baker, an alumna from Shaw. Ella was a powerful intellectual whose power was her grandmotherly wisdom. I think that she had a good deal of influence on the members of SNCC.

The big shots were here, too: Martin Luther King, Thurgood Marshall, Roy Wilkins from NAACP, James Farmer from CORE. I suspect there were many different agendas.

But very quickly, as the students talked, we decided that it was not these folks who got us there. We had gone to jail: We hadn't gotten anybody's permission. I mean, it was as if, in that process, we lost our innocence and the need for counsel. We were in it. It was on that basis that SNCC was founded, and the other organizations offered to give support.

That weekend, students came from all across the country. You had a Clarence Mitchell, whose dad was in the legislature in Maryland. You had a John Lewis, congressman now, whose parents are tenant farmers. You had a slick-talking Marion Barry from Nashville.

But no matter how different people were, there was total agreement that the United States was not going to continue like it was on the race issue. Either they were going to be prepared to kill us all or something had to give. That time had come.

This is an excerpt from the "Listening for a change" project of the Southern Oral History Program at the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill.


Students at Raleigh, N,C's .J. W. Ligon High School. the colored High School, organized very quickly to support the Sit-In movement after the Shaw University Students brought the sit=ins to Raleigh. Mrs Virginia Newell came rushing into our 11th grade geometry class shouting, "Can you believe it? The Sit ins have finally come to Raleigh." I was elected President of the Ligon HS Junior NAACP and my older Brother William Peace III or ("Sonny") was a movement leader at Raleigh's Shaw University. "Sonny" later co-authored the only book on the Raleigh, NC Sit-Ins- The Angry Black South. with other college student participants. Mr. Ralph Campbell of the newly created Raleigh Improvement Association organized the high school NCAAP effort. I also wrote in the Ligon High Student News paper and wrote several editorials criticizing segregation and the WRAL radio station for coming to ask Ligon HS Students to listen to WRAL, The radio station changed its format to Listen to" Rebel Radio" and played trumpeted versions of "Dixie" about every quarter hour. Outraged and offended b by the idea of " Rebel Radio." stopped listening altogether and "Rebel Radio" was gone as the station's symbol.
We high school students picketed downtown stores on weekends. WE carried on the picketing during the whole summer of '60 when, during summer vacation, the college students left. We never missed a summer Saturday---NOT one-- picketing the downtown stores from opening to closing 5:30 pm. Blue Laws prohibited the stores except movie theaters and drug stores from opening on Sundays and we didn't picket on Sundays. With the college students away, the stores became more inventive in their stubbornness and determination to keep their lunch counters from desegregating. But we were winning and we knew it. Downtown was a ghost town on weekends and during the week as blacks stayed away and whites did not come downtown to shop. The way was far from smooth and there were many disagreements on tactics and ways to move. I became apoplectic with rage and fear when Hudson-Belk's Dept. Store closed one weekend and reopened on Monday sans the restaurant. They had removed it. They met with the Raleigh citizens Association to urge an end to the Boycott of their store, since the no longer had a segregated restaurant. Civil War broke out in the Peace family Household. Sunny came home reveling with delight. "We brought Hudson-Belk to its knees." I went ballistic. "NO way," I shouted. Daddy and Mama came down get a truce. Sonny agreed to introduce my objections to ending the boycotts to the Raleigh Citizens Association Meeting. I agreed that Sonny could tell the Association that he and I disagreed.. Sonny came home after the meeting and reported that that meeting was stronger the Vesuvius Volcano but in the end the Association voted to continue the boycotts of Hudson Belk's. Saturday I was at my post at the renewed boycott. I had actually beaten Sonny in an argument. He was 8 years my senior. Then everything changed. Nashville, Tenn. surrendered and desegregated its lunch counters. We then knew we were going to win or battle. I was with the Raleigh Executive Board when it met with the District Manager of Woolworth's Dept Stores. I was not silent at the meeting. Every now and then during my 16 year old pontificating I would smile at and get a wink from the Local Manager's colored asst. and Man Friday, "Sonny." a leader of the Shaw University Sit-ins, who was according to the Manager "my most dependable colored employee--different from the others." I never saw Ma and Daddy laugh so hard in my life over that story.
I have never forgotten that evening in Mid August, when I got the call from Mr . Campbell. The Raleigh Chamber of Commerce and the City Council had agreed that the lunch counters and Hudson-Belk's Restaurant would desegregated at 2:00 pm the next day. Would I be available to be the first Negro served at the McClellan's 5 and 10 Cent Store? And, if so, could I arrive at 1:45 in a Suit and Tie?
I earned the Bronze Star for Viet-Nam Service, Attended President Obama's 1st Inauguration, Got a PHD, saw two of my three sons awarded Master's Degrees, Saw my wife earn a 2nd PHD, Received the Volunteer of the Year Award from the Detroit's Michigan Opera theater where I am now Master of Ceremonies, introducing the audience to that evening's opera. But it took 62 more years for me to experience the exhilaration that came with winning desegregation those five eating places in Raleigh. ( In 2012 as President of Detroit's Wayne County Community College, Faculty Union, I revived that Union as a faculty the administration had to deal with. We got our first raises in 14 years, successfully won a fight to prevent the college President, Dr. Curtis Ivery , from reducing faculty salaries by $10,000.00 a year to avoid compliance with Obama Care and persuaded the community to throw out Four of the Nine Board of Trustees members. We have elections on three more board members in 1918). But again, nothing nothing, nothing, ever moved me like winning the Sit-In battle in !960 in Raleigh, NC. I am now 75 today 09/10/2017. Thank you for bringing back those memories.

I think our lives are formed by pivotal moments early on , and Drs. Forbes and Peace stand in testament to that. Reading their stories gave me chills--there is no substitute for the history of I-was-there.

What if no one had stood up? But so many did and it did transform the world! Every school child in America should be taught from these kinds of testimonials, and in difficult times, like now, adults should read them, too.

Sorry for the late post. I just discovered this site today and it's already a favorite.

Dear Dr. Peace,

Thank you for this account of your experiences fighting for civil rights in North Carolina.


Mike Millner, NC Government & Heritage Library

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